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May 11th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Henry II

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Originally posted by Dazzler:
hmmmm, interessting. [img]graemlins/wonder.gif[/img]

Well in terms of what makes a lick hip, I guess it would be something that is both musical, ie, fits within the context of the piece and creative or somehow inspiring at the same time.

Gadd's one bar break in Chuck E's in Love will always stand the test of time as it has taste, bags off feel and yet fits the music perfectly.

Pick Withers tacky paradiddle fill in Sultans Of Swing will not! Why? Well I guess it's just a bit crass and seems to clutter the music.

I'd be interested to hear views on this one.

I never noticed a paradiddle fill on that tune. I guess I was too busy listening to the guitar.
May 11th, 2005, 01:52 AM
Henry II

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Originally posted by benrand:
[QB]Drum and bass/jungle...bah. All sounds like ten inch snares in a blender to me. . . [QB]

Hahahahaha!
May 11th, 2005, 01:54 AM
Henry II

The theme to Barnie Miller will forever be Hip and Dated at the same time. [img]eek.gif[/img]
May 11th, 2005, 12:22 PM
tombo74

The sum of all hip.

http://www.activemusician.com/images...l/WB_VH059.jpg
May 11th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Suspiria

Is this topic supposed to be about what ACTUALLY is hip, or what we would like to be hip?
It seems that many (and rightly so) have posted from the biased standpoint of educated/sophisticated drummers/musicians, ignoring what is actually considered hip in mainstream these days.

PS: I just turned off MTV feeling more frustrated than usually...Why is it that this industry feels as though every potential business opportunity needs to be milked for every possible Dollar? Take your average rap video...In the long run this is just temporarily hip. I personally can't wait until the phase reaches its end...
May 11th, 2005, 01:22 PM
royerin

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Originally posted by Henry II:
I never noticed a paradiddle fill on that tune. I guess I was too busy listening to the guitar.

It happens in the last verse, just after the vocal line "says at last just as the time bell rings"...
May 11th, 2005, 06:44 PM
got_a_matchgrip

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bah. All sounds like ten inch snares in a blender to me

LOL, quite the funny comparison...altho the way, say, Dave Langguth & Jojo plays them is quite good, IMO

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Pick Withers tacky paradiddle fill in Sultans Of Swing will not! Why? Well I guess it's just a bit crass and seems to clutter the music

It's towards the end of the tune during a verse, & used as a 1 bar 16th note fill, I believe it was actually an inversion of a PD, very similar to the one that NP uses all the time as a 4/4 rock beat - l/rlrrLrrlrlrrLrrl/r - the 1st l being on the "a" of 4 of the preceding bar; all r's on ride, l's on sn.
I must admit i see where Dazz is coming from now at this point in time; however, when i was but a "wee" lad, more a listener than player, b4 the training AWA more advanced listening, I found it to be a "cool" little lick. Eh, what did i know then [img]wink.gif[/img] . Giving credence to the first part of susp's next statement:

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It seems that many (and rightly so) have posted from the biased standpoint of educated/sophisticated drummers/musicians, ignoring what is actually considered hip in mainstream these days.

PS: I just turned off MTV feeling more frustrated than usually...Why is it that this industry feels as though every potential business opportunity needs to be milked for every possible Dollar? Take your average rap video...In the long run this is just temporarily hip. I personally can't wait until the phase reaches its end...

I think sus hits a nail/touches a nerve in this last statement. It's amusing how human beings tend to think something is very cool at the onset, but then when the numbers-$-makers hook into it & beat it to death, we will eventually become aggravated by it. Hence the phrase, "familiarity breeds contempt." [img]wink.gif[/img]

Case in point; Eddie VH burst onto the scene with a raw & unique sound & flashy rock gtr style rooted in the rock-blues genre, & took the world BY STORM. Then a whole slew of "copycats" came along & we had potentially a hundred Eddie's on recordings, & the market became so saturated that eventually grunge came along & all but demolished 80s rock gtr style...which was both good & bad, as THAT style eventually became old & played out, & then well-thought out melodies & solos were sorely missed in popular AOR music. JMO, I suppose...

[Edit: i just read Roy's post where he identified the Sultans drum lick]...

[ May 11, 2005 03:48 PM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]
May 11th, 2005, 06:57 PM
got_a_matchgrip

Sorry, I might add that with the advent of the click & all the pros using them on recordings thes days, AWA better technique executed in solos by musicians over the years [perhaps; this is relative AW], I think the average un-musically educated listener has perhaps subtely learned to hear the diff in sloppy time or soloing; however, not enough to really hear a slight tempo waver or intonation/"pitchy" problem with a gtr solo or voc, & maybe only just significant or more extreme audible fluctuations.

Remember; the average listener is less of a musically trained person & more of the karaoke trend crowd anyway. Neither bad nor good necessarily; unless under certain of the right conditions [in the alignment of the planets...yeah, right]. [img]wink.gif[/img]

The gtr solo in that pop tune by Sheryl Crow & kidrock - i believe it was deliberately played as having some rough spots in intonation, to reflect the ongoing "next" trend of flying in the face of trained music convention & appealing to the "non-musical" masses.

Jimmy Page often played some sloppily executed solos live, & Bonzo's time wasn't by any means "perfect" by today's standards [Weckl! or perhaps a better comparison yet, Mangini! [img]tongue.gif[/img] - altho Bonzo did "groove!"]; but that didn't deter me from really digging on a lot of that raw Zep rock-vibe.

PS: Rhythmat: you were def right about the MClark/HH, & To - Fo & Mo, bro! Hohh! Whoah.

Doh.

[ May 11, 2005 04:08 PM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]
May 11th, 2005, 07:35 PM
benrand

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PS: I just turned off MTV feeling more frustrated than usually...Why is it that this industry feels as though every potential business opportunity needs to be milked for every possible Dollar? Take your average rap video...In the long run this is just temporarily hip. I personally can't wait until the phase reaches its end...

Rap is a scourge on our country. Flame away, but that nonsense, gangsta shit, is corrosive to the soul of whoever listens to it. And some of the a-holes who proclaim it as some sort of intellectual exercise and a window into oppressed peoples can go get stuffed on a large pole.

Every artist I hear on the radio anymore is aggresively stupid, angry and whiny. That includes Sting.

F Kurdt Cobain. He wrote some good music, IMO, but the trend he created lead to a dead end with a pile up of untalented hack poser morons like Marilyn Manson and Korn.

Ahh, that's better...
May 11th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Clintuplet

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F Kurdt Cobain. He wrote some good music, IMO, but the trend he created lead to a dead end with a pile up of untalented hack poser morons like Marilyn Manson and Korn.

I'm kinda fond of Ted Nugents quote of Kurt being the "toxic underbelly of disgust and denial."

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